I recently had the pleasure of sitting down to talk hostage taking with Phil Gurski, an old friend of mine from my days working on counter-terrorism. There are few people know more about terrorism than Phil, a former CSIS analyst from Canada.

He asked me to record a session for his podcast, where he talks all things national security.

You can hear our conversation here.

If you’d like more on hostage taking, check out this Chatham House event on non-state hostage taking, and this one on state hostage taking.